Saturday, January 05, 2008

Muslims against Sharia: a response to ponder

The following is a comment left in response to my post about the "honor" killings that occurred recently in North Texas when a Muslim father - in US since 1980's - murdered his two daughters for dating non-Muslim Texans. For one, knowing Texans as I do, they are bound to be good guys and know how to treat ladies. But to the point. As I frequently do, I am posting the comment from Muslims Against Sharia because in my heart I would hope that they are true in their statements. I have just read too much in the Koran regarding "infidels" and treatment thereof and thus can only be but so trusting. So... Before that comment, let me share this information with you about the research of Ellen R. Sheeley, "honor" killings. Ms. Sheeley left a comment at my post on Lionheart and I want to extend her the courtesy of referring to her and her work here. ~~~~~ "Most of the Western Muslim establishment is comprised of Islamist groups claiming to be moderates. True moderate Muslims reject Islamic supremacy and Sharia; embrace religious equality and democracy. What is a moderate Muslim? According to a dictionary, a moderate is a person who is opposed to radical or extreme views or measures, especially in politics or religion. Yet, majority of the public seem to be struggling with the definition of a moderate Muslim. Perhaps we can make this task easier by defining a radical Muslim and then defining the moderate as an opposite of the radical. Muslims Against Sharia compiled a list of issues that differentiate moderate Muslims from Islamic radicals. Hopefully you can help us grow this list. http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/ 2008/01/what-is-moderate-muslim.html Poll: Who is a moderate Muslim? http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/ 2008/01/poll-who-is-moderate-muslim.html ~~~~~ I would like to believe that moderate Muslims "embrace religious equality and democracy." To be candid, it is difficult and I believe it is untrue regarding Muslims in Western nations such as England, France, Italy. I do have Dr. Jasser's site linked at my blog in the interest of "fairness" and availability and I have no doubt of his personal sincerity. How can a person be a practicing Muslim and be against Sharia since in Islam all facets are intertwined and interlocking with no exits for moderates? And if one uses the term "moderate", that can be confusing within our Western Civilization because we use the word "moderate" referring to political perspectives. And further, I find that the Protestant sects are not at war against each other. Our religious sects have matured in terms of "living and let live" and allowing freedom of religion but the rub comes with Islam in that Islam is a political ideology that cannot be changed and does not condone tolerance of others and freedom of religion. According to an Islamist leader cited here, Islam is in America only to replace our government and to install Islam as the dominant (aka only) religion. Maybe Muslims against Sharia can be more vocal but fighting the money machine of Saudi Arabia is daughting... And unlike Christianity and the New Testament, I have not read verses in the Quran extolling believers to befriend and love "kuffars". I realize much more is at play in Iraq and Afghanistan but when the folks there voted for Sharia Law, I felt it was time to leave. When the Afghans were set to execute a former Muslim man who had converted to Christianity and we had to save him, it was time to leave there too. No American soldier or Marine should face battle on lands where the people are so intolerant that a follower of our nation's predominant faith would be executed. But as I said, I know there is much more going on and that is why we are in the region. We have interests there way beyond "oil". Who knows? The day may even come when we are called upon to get Russia's "fat out of the fire" again. As I recall, Russia is expected to become an Islamic Republic during this century... Hmmm... Maybe they shouldn't have murdered the Czar after all...

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Blogger Muslims Against Sharia said...

“I would like to believe that moderate Muslims "embrace religious equality and democracy." To be candid, it is difficult”

Why? Muslims that do not embrace religious equality and democracy are not moderates. They can claim to be moderates, but they’re not. CAIR, ISNA, etc., always claim to be moderates, but we all know how full of it they are.

“How can a person be a practicing Muslim and be against Sharia ... ?”

How can a person be a practicing Christian and be against the Inquisition or anti-Semitism? Sharia is an abomination.

“Our [Christian] religious sects have matured”

Islam is roughly seven centuries younger than Christianity. Consider Christianity of the 14th century.

“Islam is a political ideology”

No, Islamism is a political ideology. Islam is a religion, a private matter of an individual.

“According to an Islamist leader cited here, Islam is in America only to replace our government and to install Islam as the dominant (aka only) religion.”

Correct, but Islamist (a radical) is an opposite of a moderate. So, basically, you are making my point.

“Maybe Muslims against Sharia can be more vocal but fighting the money machine of Saudi Arabia is daughting...”

We do everything we can think of to fight the Saudi money machine. However, you know of anything else we can do, we’d be happy to do it.

1:33 PM  
Blogger Beach Girl said...

I don't know. I wish the US Government would shut down their access to our nation and to spreading Wahabbism. I am going to check out your position at your site. I understand you have re-written the Koran. Is it available at a book store? Also, that is bravery to be sure. You have made some good points in your response and I admit that I'm working at a deficit. If you are wiling to risk your lives to reform Islam, you are putting more than your money into the fight.

I think one of the problems leading to confusion is that, much like American blacks over the past several some decades have seemed to be in search of a "name" to characterize them - Negroes, Colored, Black, Afro-Americans, etc. With Islam, we have Islamists, moderate Muslims (in political terms, Americans usually consider the term "moderate" as rather lacking in any strong positions), and such. Radical Islamists, jihadists, fundamentalist - I know we have a variety of terms for Christians as well - but for a non-Muslim, the distinctions regarding Muslims are confusing.

At any rate, I'll try to spend some time at your site.

Is Islam going through a "reformation"? If so, who is helping you? And if I think of any ways to combat the Saudi money, I'll certainly let you know because their funding is dangerous for all of us.

1:53 PM  
Blogger Muslims Against Sharia said...

“I wish the US Government would shut down their access to our nation and to spreading Wahabbism.”

While the Saudis got the West by the balls because of the oil, it ain’t gonna happen.

“Is it available at a book store?”

No, but we are actively looking for a publisher who has a death wish.

“for a non-Muslim, the distinctions regarding Muslims are confusing.”

We agree, that’s why we are trying to define it as clear as possible: http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2008/01/what-is-moderate-muslim.html

“Is Islam going through a "reformation"?”

In a way. More and more Muslims are becoming radicals.

3:37 PM  
Blogger Beach Girl said...

Thank you. That's okay. At least they are defining themselves.

3:41 PM  
Blogger Erich said...

beach girl,

MASH responded to your statement --

“Our [Christian] religious sects have matured”

with this statement --

"Islam is roughly seven centuries younger than Christianity. Consider Christianity of the 14th century."

That may or may not be true, but we don't have the luxury of sitting around for a couple of centuries waiting for Muslims to evolve: there are innumerable Muslims out there plotting to mass-murder as many Infidels as possible, using any number of types of weapons including WMDs (either radiological "dirty bombs", or horrific chemical or biological weapons), and it will be extremely difficult to predict where in the world they will strike, or when.

The risks are too high for us to wait centuries.

12:50 PM  
Blogger Beach Girl said...

Erich, no worries, mate! The West won't have to wait centuries. If the West wakes up, it will start defending itself early-on in this century and Katy-bar-the-door. Sadly, innocent men, women, and children of all "religious" persuasions may well become casualties. Can you imagine what a mess had we fought WWII like we are fighting now.

Damn "political correctness" and the Clintons who inflicted it upon us.

3:12 PM  
Blogger Muslims Against Sharia said...

Erich,

"we don't have the luxury of sitting around for a couple of centuries waiting for Muslims to evolve"

We could not agree with you more. That's why we need to reform Islam NOW.

7:26 PM  

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