Tuesday, November 27, 2007

Dems and Repubs: one and the same?

The following are great comments from Dirk who responded to a post, here. The comments are presented here in full. He is so correct in many ways. So, how do we "take our nation back?" And does Ron Paul believe in open borders and the loss of whatever American sovereignty remains after NAFTA, Clinton, and Bush? From Dirk: ~~~~~~~ Hey Beachgirl, you need to step up your understanding of the current 2 party system. Anyone who places their faith in either major party will wind up losing. The average supporters of both parties are played against each other like suckers as the leadership of both parties move us in the same overall direction. They argue about numerous issues, but never touch the critical issues. Democrats will argue for higher income taxes and Republicans will argue for lower income taxes. However, they're both arguing in favor of income taxes, and the correct alternative of scrapping the income tax altogether is never presented as an option to the public. There is the appearance of an intense battle for control. It's carefully managed to stay fairly evenly balanced between those who gravitate towards the Democrats and those who gravitate towards the Republicans. Once you begin to realze that battle is raging on the deck of the Titanic you will start to see the bigger picture. I was a committed Republican for many years until the reality of it became apparent. The media annointed "frontrunners" at the beginning of modern presidential races have been paraded into American living rooms for years with news clips and coverage. By the time the race starts they are household names. A statesman like Ron Paul would receive equal coverage if the press were free, independent and objective simply because his positions and ideas are so different from the status quo. I totally agree with you about your opinion of Hillary Clinton. However, don't be suckered into thinking that the Republican Party is your salvation. They are taking us down the same road as the democrats, they just go in smaller steps and veer a little more to the right. Not the true right, but the neo-con right that most Republicans have swallowed hook, line and sinker. If Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination, "your man, whomever that might be" will screw our country as bad as Hillary. It might be in some other form or fashion, but we'll be screwed just the same. There are more than enough people in the country who realize that to win the election for Ron Paul. With the exponential growth of his support, there is more than enough time over the next year for him to win as an independent. He's the only one who can defeat Hillary whether that be as a Republican or solo. Every four years for a long time now Americans have been spoon fed candidates that come from the same pool. This time there is a true alternative. America is soaking up the rEVOLution like a sponge. It's time for you to become a part of it. This isn't about Ron Paul, it's much bigger than him. America is waking up. He's just the messenger. A little quirky maybe, but squeaky clean, rock solid and not out for power or personal gain. He's the guy you want in your corner. Screw the labels, take a really deep and close look at his positions on the issues at www.ronpaullibrary.org. ~~~~~~ A link, Ron Paul Library. As for truth in advertising, I would have voted for Pat Buchanan in 2004 but didn't. My bad... To be even more insanely honest, I would have voted for Kerry since we had a Republican House and Senate. To me, one of the tragedies for our nation that historians will recount is that our Republican House and Senate - in so many ways - kow towed to the president when they knew they should not have. Just like some Republican Senators voted to keep Clinton, the First, in office only so that George W. Bush would not be facing an incumbent Al Gore. Now, that was shameful... But for now, let's look to the present and our future...


Blogger Dr.D said...

The comment has some truth in it to be sure. At the same time, the implicit argument for a third party is a call to failure in all likelihood because of the strength of the existing parties. It would seem that the best hope of putting the US back on a proper course it to take the reigns of power in one of the existing parties. The GOP is the more likely party for this to happen than the Leftocrats. I think that this the reason why we have Hunter, Tancredo, and Paul all running as Republicans, not as independents. If they can get the nomination, and take control of the GOP at the top, then perhaps the entire party structure can be steered in the proper direction and the strength of the party can be used to get the nation back on course.

2:09 PM  
Blogger Rich said...

Beach Girl:

I agree mostly with Dirk except for supporting Ron Paul. That is what my candidacy is about; breaking the monopoly of the two parties. They are both driving us off a cliff, one faster than the other. We must implement term limits and elect individuals willing to build coalitions to deal with the border, the budget, and the overall direction of our country. This country is on the wrong path and both parties are responsible for getting us lost...

4:22 PM  
Blogger Beach Girl said...

I'm not supposed to say this but I think President Bush, the younger, has harmed the Republican Party greatly.

I'll add Hunter to my sidebar.

My point in both posts is that every conservative must crawl, walk, or be carried to the polls in Nov. 2008 to destroy clinton, the lesser, if that person is the dems candidate.

We cannot survive 28 years of a Bush-Clinton cabal.

4:24 PM  
Blogger Beach Girl said...

Rich, we have "term limits" called elections. I'm not for term limits because that takes the power away from the voter.

On the border, had the terrorists that smuggled RPGs and such across the border recently to attack the intelligence gathering fort in Texas or Arizona had been successful, we'd have a fence built overnight and maybe even military personnel defending our nation as they are supposed to do - on OUR borders.

If, however, I were a high up guy in a leading terrorist group and the nut cases had been successful, if their own handiwork did not kill them, I'd have assassins all over them like ducks on a June Bug.

A successful terrorist attack on our soil in 2008 would change the entire dynamic of the "debates". I'm certainly not wanting to see that happen but "Katie bar the door" if it does.

4:31 PM  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Beach Girl, you are so right in saying that any sort of an attack during '08 will change the dynamic of the election drastically. I almost think it would be a good thing. Even if the conventions are over and the nominees are chosen, an attack might alter things to the point where the right candidate could win as a write-in. It would be an upheaval!

5:03 PM  
Blogger Beach Girl said...

Dr. D - when are you going to set-up your blog? On point, I don't know what we need but we need something to shake us from our lethargy.

5:14 PM  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Beach Girl, I really have no plans to set up a blog. I think I can contribute best by commenting here, at VA, GoV, Eternity Road, and a few other places.

I wish I knew what to suggest to wake people up. I think it is going to take a catastrophe to do it, and that be definition is going to be very unpleasant.

5:57 PM  
Blogger Beach Girl said...

Dr. D, keep on commenting. If you like, I will post longer comments of yours as well.

6:06 PM  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Thank you; I just may take you up on that. How can I get them to you other than in the standard comments box? (Please take a look at my site, http://sdoughty11.googlepages.com/)

6:13 PM  
Blogger Beach Girl said...

Easy - just like Najistani does. She (?) makes a comment with links in html format. Since I moderate the comments and see them first, I read her post, copy it into a post/publish create a post block, fix the links, read the links, then post. After that, I post her comment at the appropriate post to which she replied. Seems to be working well.

10:01 AM  
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10:01 AM  
Blogger Mr Minority said...

Is a two party system good for America? Maybe not. But is a coalition Gov't good for America? NO!

3rd party political group have never been able to gain traction and end up hurting the party they are more closely aligned to. But a coalition Gov't like the majority of Democratic Gov't around the world have would be a complete disaster. If radical or fringe groups were to gain power, then our Gov't would be a bigger joke than it already is.

If we are wanting a more conservative Republican party, then our focus should be selecting the right candidates during the primaries, for both local and national seats.

And don't let this guy fool you into thinking that there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans, because there is! Just look at there they differ on the issues of ILLEGAL Immigration, the War on Terrorism, taxes, the economy and personal rights. Yes there are some squishy RINOs, but the majority are not anything like the Donks!

Mr Minority

12:40 PM  
Blogger Beach Girl said...

Mr. M, good to hear from you. I had made the point earlier, in previous post, that when the primaries are over, Conservative Repblicans must not "sit this one out" under any circumstances but if Clinton is the candidate, we much be unified and walk, crawl, or be carried to the polls in November to vote against the "candidate person" on the Democrat side. Period. I do not want any Clinton in the White House because the Republicans either stay home or allow themselves to be split. That gave us Clinton, the Philanderer, and we have paid for it.

So many things I don't understand at the moment - globally. It seems we are allowing China much latitude, Saudi Arabia total freedom to eestablish Muslim - Wahabbi schools, etc, here with abandon, and so much more.

I would love to see Mrs. W.J. Clinton come in 3rd in Iowa just to see how that goes. We will not have a coalition "government" under any circumstances because that somehow implies - to me - some form of compatible co-existence. But with so many Signing Statements - I don't know what kind of "government" we have had.

Great to hear from you... I have never believed Ms. Clinton could with-stand the heat of a long primary and now we'll never know...

2:18 AM  

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