Supreme Court to Obama: produce legal birth certificate?
Here is a link to Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs and her compilation of "legal" challenges to the nationality of Obama: Obama's birth certificate forgery. I wrote, "SCOTUS demands that Obama produce a legal birth certificate by December 1, 2008?" Okay, maybe not, maybe I was wrong. Seems like I was... According to Vente (comments at end) the Supremes have asked Obama, the DNC, and other co-defendants to respond to the Berg Writ of Certiorari and produce all documents produced at the lower court hearings or present a case as to why they don't have to do that. I think... PhotoGal also weighed in with some legal guidance. Here's one more link, Berg v. Obama et al.: U.S. Supreme Court awaits... This one is very interesting and has some troubling information. Questions remain about Obama's citizenship and the Electoral College meets December 13th. Based on this, I'm not certain what the Supreme Court has asked Obama, the DNC, and other co-defendants to produce in response to the Berg Writ of Certiorari. One more good blog post from Infidel Bloggers Alliance, here. Let's see how this turns out. Will Obama and the DNC comply with the Supreme Court or will he defy the Supremes right from the get-go? Then what... H/T to Larwyn who stays on top of everything that is anything of import on the "net." Thank you, Larwyn, for never tiring when some of us, namely myself, weaken. One more with H/T to Mustang, at Social Sense: America the Beautiful. As Obama said regarding his aunt who has ben given deportation orders, "We are a nation of laws." Well, let's see... I stand by Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs and by my friend, Mustang. I absolutely will not delete this "evolving" post. I have been doing research and find it interesting beyond the extensive posts credited at Atlas Shrugs where Pamela - to her credit - has done an amazing job of bringing many posts together. Actually, I don't think it is too much for Americans to want to see legal proof for the nationality of their president or when and where he/she was born. Come on! The MSM went into everything about President George W. Bush even up to and including Dan Rather accepting forged documents and making them news. Give me a break! My prediction: President-elect Obama, our first 1/2 white-1/2 black president will respond to the Berg Writ of Certiorari, and the Electoral College will cast their votes as directed by the states they represent. No worries, Liberal Socialist Democrats - whom I distinguish from hardworking Americans of the American Democrat variety - President-elect Obama is our next president. I don't care about his ethnicity; I do care about his citizenship. (I was ticked that Obama did not speak to his "non-Hispanic white" heritage. He should not be ashamed of being 1/2 white, right?) Going forward, I care most about his policies. I disagreed with several of President George W. Bush's policies such as selling our nation to China, signing the unconstitutional North American Union agreement with that thug Vicente Fox and Martin of Canada, borrowing money from the Saudis, signing the Campaign Finance Reform Act, and pushing his defeated Amnesty bill. At least allow me the right to disagree with President Obama's policies when I find them troubling. I'm not cutting him slack because he is of mixed race, that would be racist. He will be our President and we need to scrutinize his policies. Good grief! And Joe Biden must be psychic as Russia just announced that they will be placing missiles along the border of Poland. Well, those boys didn't wait 6 months, eh? Seriously, we gotta have fun... (Dr.D called me on this; and did so correctly. The use of the word "fun" is incorrect especially considering the danger we are in but allow me two things, please. 1) a laugh at the hypocracy of the Left MSM, and 2) that many (NOT ALL) of our 18 - 25 years olds, except for those who have gone to war, are fed by instant gratification - heck, our entire society seems fed by instant gratification today - and some could argue that, as a friend told me, life has a way of teaching us the hardships of life. Sadly, the rest of us will have to pay along with them. As many Americans have no problems with infanticide these days, I seriously hope they don't decide on an "end of life" expiration date for the rest of us.) And Conservatives MUST NOT rush to evaluate what went wrong. What went "wrong" was that Democrats selected our presidential candidate for us and Republicans moved away from conservative, constitutional fundamentals. That's all... Note: one more article you may like but miss: Obama wants to 'hit the ground running' on economy. I did a bit of research and found US Supreme Court awaits response to Berg Writ of Certiorari from Obama. Berg did file for an injunction to stay the election pending review of his suit, Berg vs. Obama, and Souter denied the injunction. (This is the same Associate Justice David Souter who voted that a city can condemn private property in order to sell that same private property to another private developer, Kelo vs New Longon, Connecticut.) But the Supreme Court has asked for responses from Obama, the DNC, and other co-defendants by December 1, 2008. As I said, President-elect Obama is our next president. So now, let's see how he does. With very limited to no respect to my friends of the far-Left MSM, I believe the Conservatives generally will be much more fair to Obama than the Left ever was to President George W. Bush but let's see... ~~~~~ Very good comment from Vente: (I am surprised to learn that Philip Berg is a Democrat lawyer???) www.obamacrimes.com, Obama Crimes is the basic website for the case, maintained by Philip Berg, the Democratic Lawyer pressing the case. The defendants are required to FILE A RESPONSE to a Berg's Writ of Certiorari by December 1st. Then the court will decide whether the case has merit in the federal interest. Obama could save every one a lot of time and money and grief by simply producing the documents. Is it arrogance or guilt that prevents it? from http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?typed=certiorari n. (sersh-oh-rare-ee) a writ (order) of a higher court to a lower court to send all the documents in a case to it so the higher court can review the lower court's decision. Certiorari is most commonly used by the U.S. Supreme Court, which is selective about which cases it will hear on appeal. To appeal to the Supreme Court one applies to the Supreme Court for a writ of certiorari, which it grants at its discretion and only when at least three members believe that the case involves a sufficiently significant federal question in the public interest. By denying such a writ the Supreme Court says it will let the lower court decision stand, particularly if it conforms to accepted precedents (previously decided cases). and here is what comprises a response from http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/discovery-responses/ A response is part of the discovery (fact-finding) process that occurs before trial. Certain motions that are filed, such as a request for interrogatories, request for production, or request for admission, require the person served with the motion to file a response within a certain time period. Some responses are required to be made under oath. The original response is filed in court and copies are served upon the other parties in the case. So he (Obama) doesn't have to produce the documents. He can present an argument why he shouldn't have to. ~~~~~ Thank you, Vente! Let's see how it goes... So, the Supreme Court did not deny the Writ; they (at least 4 justices agreed) asked for responses to the Writ by December 1, 2008? ~~~~~ From PhotoGal: Actually, BO doesn't even HAVE to respond...he merely has the RIGHT to respond, according the to Rules of the Supreme Court. http://www.supremecourtus.gov/ctrules/2007rulesofthecourt.pdf Rule 15(1) is applicable: 1. A brief in opposition to a petition for a writ of certiorari may be filed by the respondent in any case, but is not mandatory except in a capital case, see Rule 14.1(a), or when ordered by the Court. I have seen not one thing that shows an 'order to respond' issued by SCOTUS to BO or the DNC. I image that there will be a response - filed as close to Dec 1 as humanly possible. ~~~~~ A thank you to PhotoGal... God bless us!
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Beach Girl - My conclusion after doing a good deal of investigation on the subject of this post:
The claim about Souter ordering Obama to produce a birth certificate is an outright fabrication - a lie - a fraud.
If I'm right, you are not only guilty of being duped, you're guilty of helping propagate a fraud.
Perhaps you can prove me wrong by producing credible evidence that Souter has issued the order. If you can't, then you should delete your post.
obamactrimes.com is the basic website for the case, maintained by Philip Berg, the Democratic Lawyer pressing the case. The defendants are required to FILE A RESPONSE to a Berg's Writ of Certiorari by December 1st. Then the court will decide whether the case has merit in the federal interest. Obama could save every one a lot of time and money and grief by simply producing the documents. Is it arrogance or guilt that prevents it?
from http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?typed=certiorari
n. (sersh-oh-rare-ee) a writ (order) of a higher court to a lower court to send all the documents in a case to it so the higher court can review the lower court's decision. Certiorari is most commonly used by the U.S. Supreme Court, which is selective about which cases it will hear on appeal. To appeal to the Supreme Court one applies to the Supreme Court for a writ of certiorari, which it grants at its discretion and only when at least three members believe that the case involves a sufficiently significant federal question in the public interest. By denying such a writ the Supreme Court says it will let the lower court decision stand, particularly if it conforms to accepted precedents (previously decided cases).
and here is what comprises a response from
http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/discovery-responses/
A response is part of the discovery (fact-finding) process that occurs before trial. Certain motions that are filed, such as a request for interrogatories, request for production, or request for admission, require the person served with the motion to file a response within a certain time period. Some responses are required to be made under oath. The original response is filed in court and copies are served upon the other parties in the case.
So he doesn't have to produce the documents. He can present an argument why he shouldn't have to.
BG, you say, "He should not be ashamed of being 1/2 white, right?" He has said explicitly that he is ashamed of being half white, that he rejects it, that he hates it, etc. It is all in his memoir. You seem to be on happy pills today, or something!
This is further reflected in your statement, "Seriously, we gotta have fun..." I don't think so. We need to be sober, be watchful, be serious. We are entering an extremely dangerous period, a time when the devil himself has taken the reigns of power in this country. To say, "we gotta have fun" seems to me to be positively ignoring reality!
Actually, BO doesn't even HAVE to respond...he merely has the RIGHT to respond, according the to Rules of the Supreme Court.
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/ctrules/2007rulesofthecourt.pdf
Rule 15(1) is applicable:
1. A brief in opposition to a petition for a writ of certiorari
may be filed by the respondent in any case, but is not mandatory
except in a capital case, see Rule 14.1(a), or when ordered
by the Court.
I have seen not one thing that shows an 'order to respond' issued by SCOTUS to BO or the DNC.
I image that there will be a response - filed as close to Dec 1 as humanly possible.
Dr.D - no happy pills for me. Would that it were that easy... I believe we are at a most dangerous time in our history and are about to see our nation disappear right under our very noses. With the no. of 18 to 25 years olds who voted for Obama, I need no proof that our educational system has failed this nation as it was intended to do with the opening of the Department of Education.
Yes, we mustg be ever vigilant but for a nanosecond, we do have to try to look at things positively just for mental sanity. I'm taking a few days just to read novels and transcribe some of my posts, putting them together in chapter form. I cannot admit how dangerous the times are - not out loud - because everyone knows that. America is changing; many people think they want Socialism or worse because they have not been taught about our freedoms and they have been brought up on multiculturalism and that all cultures are morally equivalent. The Communists of the stripe of William Ayers have been working to undermine our nation for a very long time.
Yet, I still believe in the American people. I cannot hope that it is not too late because "hope is for suckers". I am waiting to see how the Democrats will turn on themselves - as they will - they have been killing our young since 1973. I am waiting to see the pain across the black community when they realize that they have - with this one election of the messiah - ended once and for all their power as a voting block except for regional politics. And Obama, like the Democrat machine has always done, will keep black Americans "barefoot and pregnant" under the boot of poverty, so to speak.
No happy pills, just abject trepidation for our nation...but we have yet to see. A friend of mine pointed out to me when I would get upset about President Bush selling out the nation, allowing the invasion to go unabated, etc. that I needed to remember that I didn't know "who or what was holding a gun to his head", so to speak. I don't. I believe we are controlled by the CFR and perhaps others just as the "housing financial crisis" did not just happen when it did. All planned; all manipulated; all controlled as our government nationalized our stock market, our banking industry, and our housing industry/lending, etc. Our educational system is already controlled, of course the military is controlled, and the health care industry is majorly controlled. Obama wants his Civilian National Security Force as a national policing agency so that would be that.
So, I must apologize - there is nothing to find fun in...but if we are to fight and win, we must get part of our strength from "humor" as the General said to the German general who asked him to surrender, "Nuts!" That's what I mean but I said it poorly and incompletely...
BG, you say, "Yet, I still believe in the American people." I would have to ask, which American people do you still believe in? The original American people who have lived in this country for the past 250 years and built it up, or the replacement population that it rapidly supplanting the original American people? The original American people count for less and less with each passing day, and soon will be completely insignificant. This is partly because they will be numerically diluted to such a great extent, and also because they have been philosophically diluted with political correctness and muddy thinking. I am afraid that I can no longer say that I still believe in the American people as constituted today.
Dr.D, a close friend of mine reminds me of the same thing yet I suppose I should choose my words more carefully. I believe in the American ideal for that is what America is - an ideal.
As another friend reminds me, we are changing largely due to the invasion of illegals but Mr. Obama will put that to rights and make them all legal as soon as he can. He'll also start his "Civilian National Security Force", ie, Brownshirts, and all that he does will be glorified by the MSM even as they damned the very same things that had to be done by President George W. Bush. I can think of no one more relieved to be leaving Washington, D.C. than President and Mrs. Bush.
I am sorry to disappoint you. I am not naive but I have to cling to my "ideal" for just a few moments longer. Another friend of mine tells me that many Mexican families who come here are very hard workers and share many conservative values. He says it only takes their children, generally, a generation to learn to game the system - we'll just have to see.
When we become the Union of American States (North, Central, and South America) that we will be able to travel and settle as easily as the Europeans do? I think now. Newt Gingrich said a few years back that it was wonderful that over 200 languages were spoken in the US. It was that day that I knew him for what he is. I will never understand why our leaders have worked tirelessly to destroy our nation and to weaken us but they have for a long time now.
Dr.D, I still believe in America. I know our nation is changing fast, faster than we can know. I know there will never be "affirmative action" for white men as our nation, according to the CIA Worldfact book identifies Hispanic ancestry folks as European and therefore - white. Look for yourself.
I guess I just cannot understand why our own "elected" leaders hate us and hate what makes us strong. But, even diluted, even dieing out, as long as many of us live, they will never take away our faith.
No happy pills, Dr.D. Just true sorrow here in Dr. Beach Girl world. The only bright light I saw in this election was in Sarah Palin - not because she is a woman but because she is an American with the ideals of which I speak.
We are in very serious danger but I still believe that there are those like myself who hold the same beliefs that I do and they are young people. One is my neighbor across the street. He voted this time for the first time. He is 19 and he will be one who goes down fighting. He has a good head on his shoulders and he tells me that he is not alone. He did not vote for Obama or McCain. He did a write-in.
From bobillw: "You'll not be satisfied even if Obama hands his official birth certificate to the Supreme Court."
Oh so very wrong you are. I am very satisfied, especially if he has no official birth certificate. I want our president to do well on behalf of our nation because we are all in this boat together. I have absolutely no hatred toward Obama or his family - I just believe his political ideology is dangerous but I just guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I also believed some of President George W. Bush's actions or in-action were dangerous just as I believe these "bailouts" are just a nice way of saying "we're nationalizing all we can" and we'll tax the rest of private enterprise out of existence.
I am also very glad that when taxes go up - and they will - they'll go up for well-off Liberals as well, except for some of the really rich who pay little or no taxes because of how they are able to write-off so many expenses.
I am so delighted that there is no Republican in control of the House, the Senate, or the Executive and soon the Supreme Court will be so Left, it will sink the ship of state. One cannot know how glad I am that the Liberal Socialists will finally have a chance to have their way or at least try.
We are no longer able to fight off the long reach of Socialism. I do "hope" that Obama does not take the nation in the direction he wants to take us - a lot of that has already been handed to him through the Patriot Act and the "bailout" so the rest may be easier - but "hope" is for suckers.
Perhaps when "health care" becomes more rationed as it will, the Left that has replaced a belief in God with a belief in Obama will have a chance to learn that he is a left-leaning politician like any other.
Anyone who wants "abortion on demand" up to the time of birth is a murderer or is aiding and abetting infanticide. And that we, the people, will eventually have to pay for.
But you are very wrong in your estimation of my attitude of Obama being in the White House. As an American, though, I still - at least for the moment - have the right to disagree with his policies and actions just as I did when I disagreed with President Bush. Or must Conservatives bow to the wisdom of President-elect Obama too?
I do want him to be good for our nation in office but as I have said many times, we'll have to see how that plays out.
One more thing - Socialists and the followers of Saul Alinsky in America just simply believe that Socialism has not worked in other nations because the "right"/smart people were not implementing it. In America, the Socialists and followers of Saul Alinsky - under the banner of the far-left folks in the Democrat Party - believe that they are the "right" people to implementate Socialism and have it work. Well, they are wrong.
Socialism destroys the "work ethic" - why should anyone work when someone else will live off of the former worker's efforts for free. Some Americans are learning this already.
Obama will have his chance and we'll see how it goes. He is our President-elect and will be our President. As an American, I'm willing to give him a chance but I reserve the right to disagree if/when he should move in a direction I do not agree with.
I just don't know who his "handlers" are. And I am certain he will tick off the MSM and the far-left sooner rather than later. But, unlike the virulent hatred of George W. Bush that the Far-left had and has, I do not believe that is within Conservatives toward Obama - our concern is his proposed policies.
Maybe when he walks into the Oval Office alone for the first time as President of the United States he'll have an awakening at the awesome power and responsibility of the position.
He has said he will be the president to all Americans - I think Conservatives are ready and willing to give him that chance but that does not mean we have to set aside our principles and drink the Moveon.org kool-aid.
We have to be vigilant and try to "save" the far-left inspite of themselves if possible; and if not them, we will have to fight for our nation and the principles upon which she was founded.
There was that insane comment, "You'll not be satisfied even if Obama hands his official birth certificate to the Supreme Court." Well, you know, it rather depends on what that document says, if and when that amazing moment ever happens.
If he did not have anything to hide, he would have produced this document long ago. The fact that he has not, and has stonewalled the whole process, is prima facie evidence that he is in fact hiding much. No honest man would want to begin his administration under this sort of a cloud if it could be easily disposed of by simply producing the document clearing away all doubts. The fact that he does not do this is really quite damning!
It will be a cold day in hell before he is my president!
Dr.D: That comment was not written by a conservative. I would prefer that such comments be made in a blogger's blog then I can let the blogger link to his/her blog post. That way, my friends/readers can choose to go over and read the post or not.
I moderate the comments that come to my blog because I want to know what is posted here; I don't long diatribes posted that I don't know about; and I have had some Muslim readers leave some threatening (not to me) comments that I don't want to give space and links on my blog.
Mr. Obama is the President-elect of the United States and I am reminded that he is also now the President of the World. The clue to how the world views his weakness is that our strongest ideological enemies are elated that he has been elected.
Bobillw:
Don't be so technical. Liberal justice Souter could have dismissed the case like they do hundreds of other appeals each year in two words: "Cert Denied." and that would have been the end of it... but he didn't!!!!
No, the SCt. did not actually "order" Barry to produce the birth cert... fact finding is usually remanded to the lower federal court. What they did was actually agree to hear some preliminary written arguments on the merits of Berg's standing to bring this challenge.
The absolutely amazing thing is that the Supreme Ct. would never have even bothered with this unless they thought the underlying case was meritorious, and here is where everyone has dropped the ball!
Since when does the MSM NOT report a Supreme Court case?
And is this how you want your next leader/president to act ... trying to get attorneys to cover up and fight on technicalities instead of being transparent and coming forth with the basic facts.
He apparently thinks little of the constitution, in fact, supporting the notion that its a living document and wants to appoint SCT judges with the same ideology.
Is this not forthcoming how this new administration would otherwise be? More coverups and more censorship and hiding details? He avoids questions and changes stories about anything sensitive (i.e., Ayers, Wright, you name it), and has actually kicked media off his campaign plane just because they asked him some tough questions.
What's going to happen to this guy when MSM finally turns against him, you better be more concerned about that because this honeymoon is about to come to an end and lookout for our country now.
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